Navigating Business as an Introverted Creative with Aicila from Business as Unusual
What if the thing that makes you feel “different” in business is actually the thing that makes you magnetic?
In this special conversation, I sit down with Aicila from the Business as Unusual, where we talked about what it’s like to build a business as an introvert. If you’ve ever felt drained by networking, overwhelmed by visibility, or unsure how to show up without feeling fake… this one will feel like a deep exhale.
We talk about what it really means to be an introverted creative in a world that wants you to be “on” all the time. The pressure. The awkwardness. The energy dips.
But also the parts we don’t talk about enough: the power of authenticity, the ease that comes from true connection, and how collaboration can actually give introverts energy when it’s rooted in trust.
This episode is an invitation to stop forcing yourself into strategies that don’t fit, and to start building your creative business in a way that feels like you.
Highlights
You’re not broken — you’re wired differently, and that’s a strength
Many creatives are introverts, and the business world wasn’t built with you in mind.
“Creatives are often introverts.” — Aicila
Authenticity makes networking tolerable — even enjoyable
When you stop performing, conversations get easier.
“Authenticity leads to genuine connections.” — Aicila
Relationships matter more than the transaction
Networking isn’t a sales funnel — it’s a human one.
“Networking isn't just about sales.” — Kevin
Energy awareness is a form of self-trust
You get to honor your limits without apologizing for them.
“Energy management is crucial.” — Aicila
Collaboration doesn’t have to drain you
When you’re with the right people, co-creation feels nourishing.
“Co-creation fulfills introverts.” — Aicila
Your lived experience is your creative advantage
AI can help, but it can’t replace your perspective.
“AI lacks the human touch.” — Kevin
Authenticity lands because it’s human
When you show up as yourself, your work resonates more deeply.
“Presence enhances creative impact.” — Kevin
Real success is built on reciprocity
Positive, generous relationships carry you further than any strategy.
“Positive relationships drive success.” — Kevin
Closing Reflection
If you’ve ever felt like you had to push, perform, or “be more extroverted” to succeed… this conversation is your permission slip to stop.
You just need to learn how you work best and build from there.
If you want support creating a book or creative business that honors your energy, I'm here to help. Sign up for a free consultation at TheStandoutCreatives.com.
Let’s build something that feels true to you.
Transcript
However, how I'm sure both of us are used to doing our episodes.
Speaker A:One of the so we're doing a.
Speaker B:Little experiment to see how it goes.
Speaker A:Today we're going to start with talking about what creative business and the ability.
Speaker B:To be present which I know sometimes for my introverts especially like I have to go and talk to people introvert side of this because that's find ways.
Speaker A:You can do it classify myself.
Speaker B:And I do think that that of Kevin and I were talking about the human that you are about the fact that a lot of creatives are introverts is going to be a strong differentiator and I think it's going to get stronger as we get more and more email.
Speaker B:AI overwhelmed that it may actually be sometimes the work that they're passionate about.
Speaker C:Welcome to the standout creative.
Speaker C:We're making money and creating meaningful work go hand in hand.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're already passionate about nice started.
Speaker C:Now let's turn that passion into a standout based around creativity.
Speaker C:Watching your work just many years ago and then I can actually amplify your creativity.
Speaker A:I was just doing too many things.
Speaker C:I'm your guide, Kevin Chung.
Speaker C:The way that this podcast is your robot creative.
Speaker A:I'll show you how to turn your.
Speaker C:Unique talents that truly represents who you are.
Speaker A:I'm really interested to hear your perspective on how.
Speaker A:How you run your business and what you do in order to, you know, stop yourself from getting overwhelmed.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Well, and I also.
Speaker B:So I think we both talked to a lot of people on our different shows and in our.
Speaker B:In our work.
Speaker B:And I found that for instance, I work with a lot of authors or I've had a lot of authors on the show and I work with a couple and authors are notoriously introverted.
Speaker B:And yet because they write such intimate things, a lot of times the readers really feel like they know them.
Speaker B:So they have this really interesting relationship with their customers and consumers where people feel like they really know them and it's, you know, the opposite of how they experience the world.
Speaker B:And yet they also do need to be inviting and gracious.
Speaker B:They don't want they appreciate that their fans are listening to their or reading their work or listening to their books on audiobook or something.
Speaker B:And so one of the things that I do for myself and with anybody that I work with is I encourage people to notice where they have that experience.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the experience of being drained because sometimes you know, the introverts so that the technical definition for people that may not know this is that the introvert is someone who finds themselves a little bit more drained after an interaction, whereas an extrovert might find themselves a little bit more up.
Speaker B:And then there's also a category of what they call ambiverts, people that it's a little bit more of a mixed experience.
Speaker B:And that's a little bit more.
Speaker B:Where I live, sometimes interacting with people can be very energizing for me, and other times it can be extremely exhausting.
Speaker B:And so I think possibly because of that being my experience, I always encourage people to kind of notice, like, what are the things that you do that find.
Speaker B:That you find energizing?
Speaker B:And then what are the things that you find yourself really exhausted after doing and start to keep track of that so that you can get some sense of how you work and what your patterns are, and then figure out how to take those things that are draining and either offload them or contain them a little bit so that they don't interfere with your ability to be.
Speaker B:To show up in your business and in your life the way that you want to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I, after doing this for a while, realize that I am very good and not as drained when I am focused on a singular topic or something that I'm really passionate about.
Speaker A:And once that thing ends and if we're supposed to mingle and just talk to each other with small talk and all that kind of things, I'm like, oh, I don't, I don't, I don't know how to participate.
Speaker A:And it's really the thing that is really interesting because during something like this, where we're talking here, it's very energizing and I, I feel uplifted and stuff.
Speaker A:But if we were to just talk about, I don't know, some other topics or whatever, like the weather necessarily with you, but with other people in just a general setting, it becomes difficult.
Speaker A:So it's really recognizing what it is that you like to do and don't like to do and what energizes you and knowing how to balance the things.
Speaker B:And I had a woman on my show a few, a couple months ago, she actually talks about networking for introverts.
Speaker B:And I think that was part of the conversation that we had that sort of sparked this idea.
Speaker B:And she said one of the reasons that a lot of people, but especially introverts, because they are often a little bit more authenticity focused or interested, is that they think of networking as being sales.
Speaker B:I'm going to go to this business networking meeting and I'm going to sell eight people my product.
Speaker B:But the thing is that's a really kind of stressful way to engage and it's not very authentic.
Speaker B:Whereas if you go to a networking event from the perspective of I'm going to try to meet people that I think would be interesting to work with or learn from or learn with or who I think might really enjoy some of the things that I do, not from a sales perspective, but simply from a sharing perspective.
Speaker B:It, it removes the agenda from the experience because you've all of us, right?
Speaker B:Like you've had that experience of someone walks up to you and they start talking and you know, they want something from you and you're just like, what are you doing?
Speaker B:It feels awkward, right?
Speaker B:And that's the same thing.
Speaker B:If you go into a networking thing thinking, I need to sell someone my product.
Speaker B:They walk up to you, you can feel that and it's, it feels a little pressured, it feels a little awkward.
Speaker B:It's, you know, and it's not really doing anyone any good.
Speaker B:Whereas if they come up to you and they start asking you what do you do, Kevin?
Speaker B:And how did, how did you get into podcasting?
Speaker B:And, and then as they talk, oh, you talk about creat.
Speaker B:Actually I'm an artist, you know, would you be open to have me on your podcast?
Speaker B:Or I have a friend who's an artist, maybe I can introduce you.
Speaker B:And suddenly it becomes a more authentic exchange.
Speaker B:And then later on, over time, you might find that you have some business aligned or they, you know, and then you do enter into maybe more of a financial business arrangement, but you don't try to hard sell people after you hand them a potato chip or whatever.
Speaker B:You actually just sort of get to know them as a person.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think the interesting thing is the Internet has really made it so that you're always being bombarded with stuff.
Speaker A:So it's like when you're meeting people in real life or even online in something like this or networking events, you can feel it because you're getting it all day from the emails that you receive or the ads that you see on tv.
Speaker A:It's like, buy this, buy this, buy this.
Speaker A:And people really want to feel more of a connection with people when they're attending something like that versus, you know, I came here, you didn't go there to buy a product, you came there to meet like minded people.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:When thinking for years, I think that's also always a great trick.
Speaker B:One of my colleagues is a brands and science strategist and, and one of the things that he constantly reminds people is when we sit in A room.
Speaker B:As a marketer or a campaign, we have this idea about what customers think.
Speaker B:And the reality is that we are also customers and most of us can't even remember where our keys are.
Speaker B:So how are we going to remember your slogan and your, and your logo and your purpose and your, you know, you give people, you bombard them.
Speaker B:It's like they're already overloaded.
Speaker B:And you have to remember that you are also a customer.
Speaker B:Like, would you, would, would you like this behavior?
Speaker B:Would you feel like, interested in working with someone who has showed up this way?
Speaker B:And so it's a great, I mean, what is it?
Speaker B:We learn this in kindergarten, right?
Speaker B:The golden rule or put yourself in someone else's shoes?
Speaker B:But, but it really is great advice because it.
Speaker B:I think sometimes the reason that we do this, or at least I know this is something that I've done, is I get this idea like, oh, I'm a business person and I'm going to a business event, so I must do business things instead of remembering I'm still just a person going to an event with other people and I can just interact with them and I can, you know, have the container of my business as part of it, but I don't have to try and put on some idea of what that means.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think almost every person that I ended up working with, either buying or selling to, I built some sort of relationship with first.
Speaker A:Unless it's obviously a need on both sides.
Speaker A:I need you to do this.
Speaker A:And, oh, I'm just looking for that.
Speaker A:And it happens to be like, serendipitous, which is not very often.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So the people that you really want to get to know are people who can either be potential clients or customers later on or after having known you, or they ultimately can refer you, which I think is a lot more likely to happen because your direct customers aren't necessarily going to be in general meeting spaces, but they probably know some people who do match you.
Speaker A:And that's when you're.
Speaker A:You have to just be willing to get to know people and build a relationship with them as people versus, you know, as potential customers.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, and that's something too, that like, I work in a lot of industries and I have a lot of folks that I engage with around projects.
Speaker B:And so I'm always looking to get to know people in terms of what they offer, what their style is, what their pricing is.
Speaker B:So, so that.
Speaker B:That way and try to get a sense of them so that when I'm in a project, I can say, oh, I know A guy and, and, and, and, and have that ability to kind of fill out the team and, or at least participate.
Speaker B:I'm not always a decision maker of course, but to be able to participate in, in providing those well matched connections because that's really helpful when you're trying to get something done if you don't have to sift through a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:So I'm always out there kind of looking for that, those folks so that I can keep, keep that list of people that want to do this work and that might be the right fit and the might price range and all of that in, in mind so that when it comes up there's an ability to connect.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And most times.
Speaker A:If you help people out, they're, they're more likely to want to help you.
Speaker A:It's like a resistual type of relationship.
Speaker A:So you're just building this, I don't know, it's not really a bank.
Speaker A:But you're essentially just trying to build up trust and like relationships with people that are strong enough so that they remember you.
Speaker A:And when the time comes, if it ever comes, it might not.
Speaker A:That is a thing too.
Speaker A:You don't necessarily need to have a relationship with everybody if it's not aligned.
Speaker A:But yeah, if you do happen to know some people and connect them, they'll remember that in the future.
Speaker B:That's really true.
Speaker B:When I've.
Speaker B:I've never regretted being of service that there's.
Speaker B:I know that we live in a very transactional world and I'm not saying that you don't need to be thoughtful about how you spend your time and your energy and your money.
Speaker B:And there's never been a time that I have championed someone's opportunity or been generous with a referral that I, that I've regretted it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like because it always feels good to be part of someone's winning team to support them in achieving their goals.
Speaker B:And so I, I feel like sometimes also recognizing that you might do some things for people and not, you know, get anything back per se, just that good feeling of having participated and that also has its own, its own benefit.
Speaker B:Is it sort of is all out there?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think although we.
Speaker A:Depending on how much you balance science and faith and spirituality and all that stuff.
Speaker A:I think generally speaking the more positive light and stuff that you bring into the world, the more likely you are to receive it back.
Speaker A:That's not always the case.
Speaker A:Obviously.
Speaker A:There are definitely cases where people are doing the opposite and they're gaining power and all that stuff.
Speaker A:Obviously you can see anything like World events or politics and all that stuff.
Speaker A:And there's.
Speaker A:It's not always the case, but for the most part, for people who don't have or don't start with a lot of money or connections, the best way to really make the best of trying to build a business is to really be a good person and just try to build relationships with people.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, it's really true.
Speaker B:I will add a caveat of I had this amazing relationship with this woman.
Speaker B:She was doing great work.
Speaker B:I love what she was up to.
Speaker B:And I kept trying to hire her, and I couldn't.
Speaker B:When I say I couldn't, I mean, I would say, I would like to hire you to do this.
Speaker B:Will you send your pricing or a contract or tell me how to do that?
Speaker B:And she would make excuses like, oh, but I can't do this, and I can't do this.
Speaker B:And I was like, but I've seen you.
Speaker B:You can do it.
Speaker B:And she wanted to work.
Speaker B:She'd also complain like, I can't get people to hire me.
Speaker B:And I'm like, but I would like to hire you.
Speaker B:And it was the weirdest thing.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:And I know I've done that as well.
Speaker B:Like, people have wanted to hire me, and I've essentially talked them out of it.
Speaker B:They've said, oh, you know, it'd be really great if you could be on this project.
Speaker B:Like, well, but, you know, don't you want so and so.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:And so I also feel like there's.
Speaker B:That part, too, is when somebody is trying to offer you an opportunity, it's important to notice it, and it's important not to talk them out of it.
Speaker B:Sometimes you just need to shut up, let it happen.
Speaker B:Like, just let them say what they want.
Speaker B:You know, obviously, if it's not a fit, right, like they want to hire you to, you know, take a grave.
Speaker B:You're not a grave digger.
Speaker B:Maybe that's not an idea.
Speaker B:That was a really dark reference.
Speaker B:Sorry, guys, it's a fall.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But you know, this.
Speaker B:But recognizing that.
Speaker B:That can feel, especially as an entrepreneur, solo entrepreneur, you can feel a little awkward sometimes and just stop talking.
Speaker A:Yeah, sometimes you can negotiate your way out of making money or clients or whatever, but I think you mentioned that being aligned is definitely something that needs to fit both people.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you have to feel like this is good for.
Speaker A:For you, but they also have to feel like it's good for them.
Speaker A:So maybe it's one of those situations where something in the back of their mind is saying, oh, maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker A:So we don't necessarily always know the circumstances behind why things happen.
Speaker A:So just control what you can control and you know, don't worry about it.
Speaker B:So you, you obviously talk to a lot of creatives.
Speaker B:What do you have any tips like for as an, as an introverted entrepreneur that you found ways that you can like work to meet people that don't feel quite as overwhelming or draining?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it's really either talking about the thing you're most passionate about because I can talk about certain things forever.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that's number one and number two is where do you feel most comfortable doing those types of things?
Speaker A:So not everybody wants to go onto a networking call and just meet some random people that are dumped into like a zoom room or something.
Speaker A:A lot of people want to just stay text based so you can meet people through things like threads, substack or what have you.
Speaker A:So it's not necessarily always.
Speaker A:Like a talking sort of deal.
Speaker A:It can be, you know, meeting people online, chatting with them is definitely a potential avenue for building relationships and then that can evolve.
Speaker A:You can talk without the need to have any sort of buying pressure on it.
Speaker A:So it's just to essentially talk to people if you think that they're a good person and you get along, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, when I think.
Speaker B:Also for me I have always found like I, I, you know, they talk about love languages and, and I, I made one up.
Speaker B:I said my love language is co creation.
Speaker B:I love working on projects with people.
Speaker B:My friends and I have always done projects together.
Speaker B:I, I've worked, I worked for a long time at a non profit so my friends would come, volunteer, be part of the events and I, I just love that, I love being on a team in that way.
Speaker B:And so for me a lot of times it's, instead of finding a job and inviting people to participate, I will often find a person and figure out okay, how are we going to work together?
Speaker B:What can we do?
Speaker B:Because I like to work, I like who I work with is almost as important to me as what I'm doing.
Speaker B:And I get so much joy out of that camaraderie that it's, I'm willing to do things that might not be my first choice because I have so much joy in the, in the team effort.
Speaker B:And so I think also being aware for yourself, like just because you're an introvert doesn't mean you might not want to work with someone.
Speaker B:And if that's a good thing and you can find that right fit and even if you can find someone who's maybe a little extroverted, who likes to go out and do those things.
Speaker B:That's an option too.
Speaker B:You don't have to do it all by yourself.
Speaker B:You just have to get clear on what parts are important to you and how you need to execute them.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's really valid point because one, there's a couple of projects that I did in the summer of this year that you wouldn't think an introvert.
Speaker A:Well, one of them is definitely one you wouldn't think an introvert would do, which is hosting a summit.
Speaker A:So I hosted, co hosted a couple of summits this summer, one on creativity and one on storytelling.
Speaker A:But I also had a co host on one and a two co hosts on the other one.
Speaker A:So you have to weigh your strengths and the strengths of other people.
Speaker A:And if co hosting seems like an interesting idea, give it a try.
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker A:But essentially we built the rooms for ourselves.
Speaker A:No one was going to tell us, oh, come host this summit for us.
Speaker A:So we essentially just wanted to try it out and see what would happen from it.
Speaker A:And the second one was more of an offline, not offline, but more of a like submission based thing.
Speaker A:It was one of the people I'm friends with now, he put out a call and substack for a global zine and he's like, I'm looking for as many submissions as I can get throughout the world so people can come together and create this thing together.
Speaker A:And essentially we built this digital zine from, I think there's 80 plus submissions on it from all across the world and kind of just built that and brought all these people together on a singular goal.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:That sounds awesome.
Speaker B:So, and then also I think for recognizing that just because you're an introvert doesn't mean you like don't like people.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Just because they make you tired or sometimes they do.
Speaker B:Not every, not all the time.
Speaker B:And recognizing that when you're in partnership that as long as you can communicate what, what's happening for you and how to be.
Speaker B:Supportive, like that's the advantage.
Speaker B:You could do this.
Speaker B:You can, like you said, like sometimes it's just creating the right container so that you don't feel like you're going to be put into a situation that's overly draining.
Speaker B:And my experience a lot of times is that people, it's not just that they're worried about being drained, it's that they're worried about not being able to meet their commitments.
Speaker B:They care about showing up, they care about achieving the goal they care about, the responsibility to the group and because of, they then get worried about how, how it's going to affect them because they don't want to be in a situation where they, they can't meet, keep their word or do the, do the tasks that they promise to do.
Speaker A:Yeah, so it's all about self awareness and how, how you like to work and how other people like to work as well and finding the balance of being able to provide the best that you can within the situations that you're brought into.
Speaker A:Obviously there are a lot of situations that you don't have control of.
Speaker A:So it's at that point just how to best manage those situations versus, you know, not.
Speaker A:Things aren't going to be ideal all the time and sometimes you're going to be put in situations that don't work out.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, what else do you think?
Speaker B:You know, we talked about networking and finding good containers and communication.
Speaker B:Are there any other specifics that come to mind for you?
Speaker A:I think throughout all the conversations that I've had with creative people, the way that they stand out the most is by tapping into the most you version of you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So if you try to pretend to be someone you're not or you try to play to the algorithm or you try to follow the trends or any of that stuff, I feel like those people, it can work, obviously, but for the most part you're not going to have the best results because it's not authentic to who you are.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's really true.
Speaker B:Especially.
Speaker B:And I think actually, you know, there's a lot of, we're in a lot of turmoil and uncertainty right now in a variety of ways.
Speaker B:And this question of how AI and the language learning models are going to propagate and where they're going to land in terms of business and in terms of life is still incredibly undecided.
Speaker B:However.
Speaker B:I do think that one of the really key differentiators is going to be the ability to be authentic and connected and the ability to be present, which I know sometimes for my introverts they're like, oh, I have to go out into the real world and talk to people sometimes.
Speaker B:You do find ways that you can do that comfortably.
Speaker B:And I do think that that ability to show up as the human that you are in the thing that makes you most you is going to be a strong differentiator.
Speaker B:And I think it's going to get even stronger as we get more and more of this.
Speaker B:I don't want to say slop, but AI overwhelm that is coming at us that is not really being filtered or managed particularly well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think the biggest thing that separates us from how it currently exists, that doesn't mean it can't evolve and, you know, grow and whatever.
Speaker A:Not in the future, which I'm sure it will because we're really very early in the infancy.
Speaker A:It's like this baby has just been born and it's like out in the world now and there's really no taking it back.
Speaker A:But the thing that separates us from AI essentially is our lived experiences and the emotions that we feel all the time and throughout everything that we've done.
Speaker A:So those are two things that AI can kind of generate, but it's not really going to be something that feels real because it's, it's not a living thing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:When it doesn't have.
Speaker B:It's a little off topic, but the, you know, I've, I've used different private AIs and worked with folks around that and.
Speaker B:Can absolutely learn from you and take some of the stuff that you're doing and provide that, that first draft there for you to react to.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But those unique concepts or that way to really land it so that somebody else gets what you're talking about, that has to come from you.
Speaker B:And I do think there is something about your genuine presence.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:Anytime that I write something and I'm just really present when I'm writing it, it goes so much farther on, on my blog, on Substack, you know, on social media, wherever.
Speaker B:And I try not to be overly woo because I really don't understand why that would be the case.
Speaker B:And it just is consistently how it works.
Speaker B:And when I, you know, when I just sit down and I write it, because this is my list and I have to get this written, it does fine, but it doesn't have the same impact as when I'm really present when I'm doing it.
Speaker B:And I think that's a little bit the difference.
Speaker B:Like when, when AI is churning stuff out, it's that checkbox, it's, it's all the words getting put together in a concept, but it's missing whatever that human experience is that that creates an unconscious, invisible connection, even through the digital pixels of our keyboard or our screen on the wires.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, people have been writing for all of eternity since the beginning of human history until now, without the help of any sort of.
Speaker A:Robotic or automated assistance.
Speaker A:So that's essentially what we're used to.
Speaker A:And if we see things that are generated for us, it's not necessarily going to feel the same.
Speaker A:It could mimic as well as it can what a person might say, but obviously it's not going to know the way that we would say it in the way that best hits with other people.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously it can evolve into that in the future, which is kind of scary, but we're not there yet.
Speaker A:And, you know, you being you is still different from even if it learns to essentially be like a second brain for you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I do want to encourage the people that are listening to this on my channel to go check out Standout Creatives podcast.
Speaker B:And I will absolutely be putting a link in the show notes so you guys can see what Kevin's up to.
Speaker B:And I think you probably, if you're listening to the show, you will probably really like his.
Speaker A:Yeah, ditto for Isola.
Speaker A:I think we're both very aligned on a lot of different things, and maybe this is just the first of many different topics that we can explore together just to see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Really fun.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:If you have suggestions, let us know.
Speaker B:We can even.
Speaker B:We can even pretend to take opposing views, because that would be really funny.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I did and have done improv for a long time, so I can pretend to take any view that.
Speaker B:I want, like introverts versus extroverts or, you know, cats versus dogs or creatives versus bean counters.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Check me out at the standout creatives.com and that will be a link to listen and a if you want to talk about yours.
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Speaker A:All right, awesome.
Speaker A:Thanks for listening.
Speaker A:Hopefully we'll talk again.
Speaker B:Thank you.
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